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#21\2011-12-12 19:24

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#22\2011-12-12 19:32

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DIS ignition :) search google for more pics :)

if you would isolate that cables like that you would get a punch in the face of some teachers here. looks like shit and probably needs re wiring over 2 years. that shit is done by simple people. srsly man that wiring looks like shit!

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BTW is that mono point injection or simultanius seqential or half seqential injection? cuz if it is one of those i don't see the point of doing a DIS ignition wich can only make trouble and can backfire. having too many cables can make induction wich can result in backfire too. so scrap that old shit ignition and buy bobines wich are directly above the spark plug :P
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#23\2011-12-13 01:35

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coil on plug. modern, and that engine would be more likely to use it, also, FKIN AWESOME!!!
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#25\2011-12-13 15:01

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This headcovers?
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BTW is that mono point injection or simultanius seqential or half seqential injection? cuz if it is one of those i don't see the point of doing a DIS ignition wich can only make trouble and can backfire. having too many cables can make induction wich can result in backfire too. so scrap that old shit ignition and buy bobines wich are directly above the spark plug :P

srly dude, DIS aka Distributorless ignition systems (DIS) have been around for almost a decade now, and have eliminated much of the maintenance that used to be associated with the ignition system. No distributor means there is no distributor cap or rotor to replace, and no troublesome vacuum or mechanical advance mechanisms to cause timing problems. Consequently, DIS ignition systems are pretty reliable. It was introduced in '96 for the VW "V6" engines it replaced the rotor for beeing inaccurate, you see the ECU map for the Rotor was i think 16 bit and the ECU map with DIS was 32 if i recall correct, this means that the fuel efficiency went up the power went up emissions went down.

the wiring in that enginebay with the MSD (red igntion search MSD they make the best ignition systems) could have been tieder, but i guess you never worked on a VR6 before. The placement of the sparkplugs is under the intake manifold, and is tricky when left stock, but with such an intake manifold like the one in the picture you need to bend the cables 90 degrees or else it just wont fit proper.

also a rotor would cause backfire more often then DIS, 1 thing rotor has on DIS is revs, you see a rotor revs more easy because there isin't a computer between the gas pedal and the ingition like on DIS. research the facts.. dont pretend to be Mr. Know It All

@Pop93, the first is an R32 VR6 in an Mk4 Golf meaning its a different engine from the 12V VR6 in the Golf 3, and the Bora VR6 is the american 24V VR6 which is basically a Golf 3 VR6 with a 24V head instead of 12V.
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#29\2011-12-13 16:45

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# Jaziba : srly dude, DIS aka Distributorless ignition systems (DIS) have been around for almost a decade now, and have eliminated much of the maintenance that used to be associated with the ignition system. No distributor means there is no distributor cap or rotor to replace, and no troublesome vacuum or mechanical advance mechanisms to cause timing problems. Consequently, DIS ignition systems are pretty reliable. It was introduced in '96 for the VW "V6" engines it replaced the rotor for beeing inaccurate, you see the ECU map for the Rotor was i think 16 bit and the ECU map with DIS was 32 if i recall correct, this means that the fuel efficiency went up the power went up emissions went down.

the wiring in that enginebay with the MSD (red igntion search MSD they make the best ignition systems) could have been tieder, but i guess you never worked on a VR6 before. The placement of the sparkplugs is under the intake manifold, and is tricky when left stock, but with such an intake manifold like the one in the picture you need to bend the cables 90 degrees or else it just wont fit proper.

also a rotor would cause backfire more often then DIS, 1 thing rotor has on DIS is revs, you see a rotor revs more easy because there isin't a computer between the gas pedal and the ingition like on DIS. research the facts.. dont pretend to be Mr. Know It All

@Pop93, the first is an R32 VR6 in an Mk4 Golf meaning its a different engine from the 12V VR6 in the Golf 3, and the Bora VR6 is the american 24V VR6 which is basically a Golf 3 VR6 with a 24V head instead of 12V.

And still the system are outdated and can't compete with the newer ones. These can still backfire! Maybe it wont happen that much or not at all on petrol but they are still not safe against for backfire on LPG. And no i never worked on a VR6. But if i would i would take some more time wiring that shit correctly and deliver better work. If your a mechanic and you know Volkswagen you know they have a lot of malfunctions on electronics. Especially the newer ones. So let me put it this way: You as a mechanic replaced the ignition system on that type of a car. You just make cables like that knowing that because of induction it wont have a steady 12V but over 10 times 12V. That alone can make some heat. Why then should you still make such a shitty cable which maybe can burn out in time. Its only costs. And yea i agree that DIS is better than ROTOR and a rotor cap and the rotor itself isn't that much cost maybe 80 euro total. Im just saying that im not a big fan of DIS ignition because you still have power loss by sparking two plugs. the newer ignitions are way better! And if you would say the type of injection on that system it could make my argument completely invalid. If its Mono point it can still backfire cus its filling the whole plenum with petrol.

And i know my facts i don't know this engine and god thank i don't i have my hands already full on searching for electric malfunctions on these cars. I think DIS is better on larger cylinders like a twin spark.

But this is all speaking from 2011 not 1996 which that system was pretty revolutionary.
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DIS isin't used anymore on the current models but in '96 it was the best buy, up until the R32, also you can't just swap a rotor for a DIS ingition. another thing is that LPG isin't a very common sight on a VR6.
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